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just speaking for myself. my interest in #p2p has nothing to do with social justice. i don't consider myself aligned with social justice either, but i don't have any problem with cooperation between people with common interests. i can see why social justice-aligned folks would be interested in #p2p, but i don't think one necessarily leads to the other or vice-versa.

personally, i try to keep my political and technical discussions in separate channels.

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personally, i try to keep my political and technical discussions in separate channels.

I think that's the crux of some of the tension - I think it's all political. And p2p (in the context of the P2P foundation) isn't even particularly technical, it's about communities and commons ... which if anything is even (to me) more obviously political

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Thanks for offering support @Rich @dan hassan @bobhaugen @Zenna

I'm not sure what I need... I guess just to debrief and process a little.

I have been recently added to a Facebook group where people who can no longer stand with Michel as he supports these abhorrent ideas have been gathering. I posted in there and have got several heartbroken sounding replies from others in disbelief and disillusionment, who also have worked with him and been his friend. There's a general sense of "we have to do something," but it's not clear what.

I feel better knowing I'm not alone in my concern and disorientation. I knew this rift between him and the community had been growing, but I hadn't realised it had gotten this bad. When serious drama went down mid-2018 due to this issue, I was focused on having a new baby and not involved. I guess the naive part of me just assumed he would have learned something from so many expressing such strong pushback, including many I know he respected and was close to. I guess not.

The main questions I'm left with are about what to do. Apparently, many people have tried very hard to reach him and help him understand, but he doubles down instead. He's such a visible spokesperson for the wider P2P movement and it's very troubling to think these ideas will be associated. And I don't feel OK not taking some action, because otherwise someone far more vulnerable will end up taking the brunt instead.

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